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 1) An envelope with postage for our reply, but with no address of any sort written anywhere on it.  Why would anyone assume that the editors will scribble each individual author's name & address on an envelope?  This is certainly the assumption being made, or at least implied by such an action.  It's asinine.

2) In our submission guidelines, Realms of Fantasy asks authors to mark their manuscripts as disposable.  Today marks the first time I came across an author writing "DISPOSABLE" in black magic marker across the envelope provided for our response.  I took  the author up on this offer.

3) I came across a submission today from someone in the fifth grade (according to the cover letter).  Everything about the submission was correct.  It boggles my mind that someone at age 11 got everything right when countless adults screw this up.

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[info]domynoe wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2007 08:18 pm (UTC)
Goooooooooooooooooooooo, 5th grader! :D
[info]tlmorganfield wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
#3 is so awesome. Though one wonders if the fact that he/she followed the guidelines is a byproduct of that fact that he/she is 5th grader, since parents and teachers do drill into elementary schoolers that one should always read the directions before starting. For a lot of adults, it seems, consulting the directions is only necessary if one can't figure out how to put together whatever they're working on on their own.

Even cooler is that the kid is actually seriously thinking about publication in the fifth grade. I don't think it even ocurred me to actually start submitting my stories until I was in high school.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2007 08:43 pm (UTC)
Agreed on both points.
[info]maryrobinette wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 01:35 pm (UTC)
This is so true. When I'm teaching puppetry, I'm much happier with a group of fifth graders than adults. Adults always start with the assumption that they know what's going on. Kids are trained to listen to directions; somewhere along the way, we lose that.
[info]jcdrainville wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 05:12 am (UTC)
Yay for that 5th grader! Hopefully I followed the directions correctly on my submission... *looks around nervously*
[info]dichroic wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 09:06 am (UTC)
Is it possible for you to, if you can't accept the fifth-grader's work, at least write a personal rejection?
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:16 pm (UTC)
Sure, it's possible. But I've seen enough submissions at this point that I'm a heartless ogre about this stuff. So only if it's warranted. :(
[info]jtglover wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 09:50 am (UTC)
This is certainly the assumption being made, or at least implied by such an action. It's asinine.

I know you see submissions from some people who don't try very hard, or at all, to get it right, and it must get frustrating to weed through hundreds of manuscripts and try to make sense of something that is weird, or bad, or confusing. On the other hand, sometimes a problematic submission may be an accident, pure and simple. Do you ever get subs from pros where something is off -- clearly a mistake? Twice this year I've been plagued by worries after submitting stories about whether X submission was all right, and I keep a copy of Shunn's sample manuscript formats by my bed like some people keep Bibles.
[info]buymeaclue wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 11:42 am (UTC)
>On the other hand, sometimes a problematic submission may be an accident, pure and simple.

My thought, too. I know I've cracked open more than one of my own sealed envelopes to check whether I used the right cover letter or, yes, wrote my address on the SASE. I once submitted a story that was, uh, missing several pages out of the middle. It was mighty embarrassing (even though/especially because the piece did, in the end, sell to that market), but it didn't mean I thought I was awesome I could get away with it. I just screwed up.
[info]jtglover wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 12:20 pm (UTC)
Yes! The thought of submitting an unprofessional ms. is mortifying, and I count and recount pages, double-check labels on envelopes, etc. The worst for me is maybe postage. The rates change so regularly that the scales at some post offices or postal stations don't keep up with what the current rate is. I've twice caught myself about to mail something using the rate on their digital scale... when I realized it was calibrated one or two rates back -- so, .37/oz instead of .41.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:21 pm (UTC)
Buymeaclue, that must have been a damn good story! ;)
[info]buymeaclue wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
I know I would like to think so. *g* Though I wouldn't dare read it again to find out. It was in Alchemy 3.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:10 pm (UTC)
I've never seen a submission from a pro that is anything but correct. Mistakes happen, sure, and maybe this is one of them. But this is good fodder for my blog. Oh. And today someone enclosed stamps for their SASE but didn't put them on in advance. I HATE that.
[info]jtglover wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
I have to confess that I don't understand the stamps thing and never really have. What, they expect you to weight the package and mail back the extras unused?
[info]jtglover wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)
weigh
[info]ericjamesstone wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 05:12 am (UTC)
According to George Scithers, Joe Haldeman was advising writers not to attach the stamps on the return envelope, because if the story was accepted then the magazine could keep the stamps that would have been used to return the manuscript and use them for other mail.

It probably made sense decades ago.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
I just find it plain annoying (please let your classmates know, since I know Scithers taught at Odyssey this year), but thanks for the inside scoop.
[info]ericjamesstone wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, I should have made it clear that Scithers strongly counseled against it. I was just letting you know that some people may be doing that because an old pro told them it was a good idea.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 08:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying.
[info]artemisin wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 09:02 am (UTC)
Interesting. I admit I've been guilty of paperclipping stamps to enveloppes instead of pasting them, but there's a reason for this: I live abroad and the only US stamps I have are 96 Olympics 50c. So I enclose two of those and if the mag has time, they can always swap one fifty cent for whatever the price is and get extra postage. The first time I did it, they did take one stamp and change it, so I thought, as long as I'm wasting postage, let the mag keep it.

However, seeing how this is annoying, I'll paste them from now on.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
:) :) :) :) :) :) ...
[info]ann_leckie wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 01:24 pm (UTC)
I wonder if that fifth grader has parents who write? I could have done that at age 11, but only because my parents, who had decided I Had Talent*, told me how to submit way before I ever actually started writing. Otherwise, the kiddo's been doing her research, and either way, good on her!

The envelope without an address--well. I had a panicked moment there 'cause I know I've got something in your stack. "Am I certain I put the address on the envelope? Oh, heck!" It's like locking the door or turning off the coffeepot, you just can't be certain.



*I make no guarantees about the accuracy of my parents' opinion in the matter.
[info]barbarienne wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 03:24 pm (UTC)
In re point 1: you know that about three seconds after that guy dropped it in the mailbox, he thought, "Crap, did I forget to address the return envelope?"

In re point 3: That's because fifth graders are still in an environment where the consequences for not following directions are always serious. They haven't yet developed the adult stupidity that's learned how to sometimes break the rules, but not yet determined the difference between rules you can break, and rules you can't.

Question in re point 2: Do you expect the authors to actually write "disposable" on their manuscript? Or put the phrase "enclosed ms is disposable" in their cover letter? I have a problem doing that, since it sounds subtly like saying the story is trash. I always just write, "A SASE is enclosed for your reply." Considering that it's a #10 envelope with a sinngle first-class stamp on it, I can't imagine anyone thinks I expect my ms back.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
I understand your point re point 2. Heck, I didn't make up the submission guidelines. They were in place way before I came aboard. Either way, this marks the first time I ever saw an author mark the SASE itself as DISPOSABLE.
[info]ericjamesstone wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC)
> Considering that it's a #10 envelope with a sinngle first-class stamp on
> it, I can't imagine anyone thinks I expect my ms back.

The Atlantic Monthly stuffed my entire manuscript into a #10 envelope, put extra postage on it, and mailed it back. This despite the fact that the manuscript was marked "Disposable Manuscript." I guess they hated the story so much they didn't think it was fit for their trash receptacles.
[info]douglascohen wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2007 08:09 pm (UTC)
Really? Wow. Huh.

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